Linear-Algebra-Done-Right Β· Unit 16 Β· Video 3 Β· Interactive Practice
Riesz Representation Without a Basis: v β₯ null Ο
I Key Formulas
Key Insight: For Ο β 0 \varphi \ne 0 Ο ξ = 0 , the representing vector is the nonzero v β₯ null β‘ Ο v \perp \operatorname{null}\varphi v β₯ null Ο with Ο ( v ) = β₯ v β₯ 2 \varphi(v) = \|v\|^2 Ο ( v ) = β₯ v β₯ 2 β every choice of w w w gives the same v v v , because the representing vector is unique.
II Visualization 1 β Every w w w in ( null β‘ Ο ) β₯ (\operatorname{null}\varphi)^\perp ( null Ο ) β₯ Gives the Same v v v
For Ο ( x , y ) = 2 x β y \varphi(x, y) = 2x - y Ο ( x , y ) = 2 x β y , scaling any nonzero w β₯ null β‘ Ο w \perp \operatorname{null}\varphi w β₯ null Ο by Ο ( w ) / β₯ w β₯ 2 \varphi(w)/\|w\|^2 Ο ( w ) /β₯ w β₯ 2 lands on v = ( 2 , β 1 ) v = (2, -1) v = ( 2 , β 1 ) .
III Visualization 2 β Why β¨ u , v β© = Ο ( u ) \langle u, v \rangle = \varphi(u) β¨ u , v β© = Ο ( u )
Every u u u splits into a piece in null β‘ Ο \operatorname{null}\varphi null Ο plus a multiple of v v v , which forces β¨ u , v β© = Ο ( u ) \langle u, v \rangle = \varphi(u) β¨ u , v β© = Ο ( u ) .
IV Visualization 3 β The Example on C 2 \mathbf{C}^2 C 2 and Its Conjugate
For Ο ( z 1 , z 2 ) = i z 1 + 2 z 2 \varphi(z_1, z_2) = i z_1 + 2 z_2 Ο ( z 1 β , z 2 β ) = i z 1 β + 2 z 2 β , every w = c β ( 1 , 2 i ) w = c\,(1, 2i) w = c ( 1 , 2 i ) with c β 0 c \ne 0 c ξ = 0 yields v = ( β i , 2 ) v = (-i, 2) v = ( β i , 2 ) β with the conjugate; drop it and most choices of c c c miss.
Scalar
conj(Ο(w)) / βwβΒ²
Ο(w) / βwβΒ² (bar dropped)
π‘ Challenge: find every c c c for which dropping the bar still gives v = ( β i , 2 ) v = (-i, 2) v = ( β i , 2 ) β exactly those where Ο ( w ) \varphi(w) Ο ( w ) is real.
V Quiz Questions
Problem 1 Β· The Defining Equation on RΒ³
Given: Ο ( x , y , z ) = x + 2 y β 2 z \varphi(x, y, z) = x + 2y - 2z Ο ( x , y , z ) = x + 2 y β 2 z on R 3 \mathbf{R}^3 R 3 with the Euclidean inner product, and w = ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 ) w = (-2, -4, 4) w = ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 ) , a nonzero vector in ( null β‘ Ο ) β₯ (\operatorname{null}\varphi)^\perp ( null Ο ) β₯ . Find v = Ο ( w ) βΎ β₯ w β₯ 2 β w v = \dfrac{\overline{\varphi(w)}}{\|w\|^2}\, w v = β₯ w β₯ 2 Ο ( w ) β β w .
a v = ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 ) v = (-2, -4, 4) v = ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 )
b v = ( 6 , 12 , β 12 ) v = (6, 12, -12) v = ( 6 , 12 , β 12 )
c v = ( 1 , 2 , β 2 ) v = (1, 2, -2) v = ( 1 , 2 , β 2 )
d v = ( β 1 , β 2 , 2 ) v = (-1, -2, 2) v = ( β 1 , β 2 , 2 )
β
Correct! The scalar is
β 18 / 36 = β 1 2 -18/36 = -\tfrac12 β 18/36 = β 2 1 β , and
v = ( 1 , 2 , β 2 ) v = (1, 2, -2) v = ( 1 , 2 , β 2 ) is the coefficient vector of
Ο \varphi Ο , as it must be.
β Not quite. That is
w w w itself. It has the right direction, but
Ο ( w ) = β 18 \varphi(w) = -18 Ο ( w ) = β 18 while
β₯ w β₯ 2 = 36 \|w\|^2 = 36 β₯ w β₯ 2 = 36 , so
Ο ( w ) β β₯ w β₯ 2 \varphi(w) \ne \|w\|^2 Ο ( w ) ξ = β₯ w β₯ 2 and
w w w does not represent
Ο \varphi Ο .
β Close, butβ¦ you divided by
β₯ w β₯ = 6 \|w\| = 6 β₯ w β₯ = 6 . The defining equation divides by
β₯ w β₯ 2 = 36 \|w\|^2 = 36 β₯ w β₯ 2 = 36 , giving the scalar
β 1 2 -\tfrac12 β 2 1 β , not
β 3 -3 β 3 .
β Close, butβ¦ the bar is complex conjugation, not absolute value. Over
R \mathbf{R} R it does nothing, so the scalar keeps its sign:
β 18 βΎ = β 18 \overline{-18} = -18 β 18 β = β 18 , not
18 18 18 .
Show solution
Compute the two numbers in the defining equation:
Ο ( w ) = β 2 + 2 ( β 4 ) β 2 ( 4 ) = β 18 , β₯ w β₯ 2 = 4 + 16 + 16 = 36. \varphi(w) = -2 + 2(-4) - 2(4) = -18, \qquad \|w\|^2 = 4 + 16 + 16 = 36. Ο ( w ) = β 2 + 2 ( β 4 ) β 2 ( 4 ) = β 18 , β₯ w β₯ 2 = 4 + 16 + 16 = 36.
Everything is real, so Ο ( w ) βΎ = β 18 \overline{\varphi(w)} = -18 Ο ( w ) β = β 18 and
v = β 18 36 β ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 ) = β 1 2 β ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 ) = ( 1 , 2 , β 2 ) . v = \frac{-18}{36}\,(-2, -4, 4) = -\tfrac12\,(-2, -4, 4) = (1, 2, -2). v = 36 β 18 β ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 ) = β 2 1 β ( β 2 , β 4 , 4 ) = ( 1 , 2 , β 2 ) .
Check: β¨ ( x , y , z ) , ( 1 , 2 , β 2 ) β© = x + 2 y β 2 z = Ο ( x , y , z ) \langle (x, y, z), (1, 2, -2) \rangle = x + 2y - 2z = \varphi(x, y, z) β¨( x , y , z ) , ( 1 , 2 , β 2 )β© = x + 2 y β 2 z = Ο ( x , y , z ) , and Ο ( v ) = 1 + 4 + 4 = 9 = β₯ v β₯ 2 \varphi(v) = 1 + 4 + 4 = 9 = \|v\|^2 Ο ( v ) = 1 + 4 + 4 = 9 = β₯ v β₯ 2 .
Problem 2 Β· Where the Conjugate Matters
Given: Ο ( z 1 , z 2 ) = 3 z 1 β i z 2 \varphi(z_1, z_2) = 3z_1 - i z_2 Ο ( z 1 β , z 2 β ) = 3 z 1 β β i z 2 β on C 2 \mathbf{C}^2 C 2 with the Euclidean inner product. Here null β‘ Ο = span β‘ ( ( i , 3 ) ) \operatorname{null}\varphi = \operatorname{span}\big((i, 3)\big) null Ο = span ( ( i , 3 ) ) , and w = ( 3 i , β 1 ) w = (3i, -1) w = ( 3 i , β 1 ) is a nonzero vector in ( null β‘ Ο ) β₯ (\operatorname{null}\varphi)^\perp ( null Ο ) β₯ . Find the representing vector v v v .
a v = ( β 3 , β i ) v = (-3, -i) v = ( β 3 , β i )
b v = ( 3 , β i ) v = (3, -i) v = ( 3 , β i )
c v = ( 3 i , β 1 ) v = (3i, -1) v = ( 3 i , β 1 )
d v = ( 3 , i ) v = (3, i) v = ( 3 , i )
β
Correct! The scalar is
10 i βΎ / 10 = β i \overline{10i}/10 = -i 10 i /10 = β i , and
β i β ( 3 i , β 1 ) = ( 3 , i ) -i\,(3i, -1) = (3, i) β i ( 3 i , β 1 ) = ( 3 , i ) β the same vector formula (R) gives.
β Not quite. You used
Ο ( w ) / β₯ w β₯ 2 = i \varphi(w)/\|w\|^2 = i Ο ( w ) /β₯ w β₯ 2 = i without the bar. The scalar is
Ο ( w ) βΎ / β₯ w β₯ 2 = 10 i βΎ / 10 = β i \overline{\varphi(w)}/\|w\|^2 = \overline{10i}/10 = -i Ο ( w ) β /β₯ w β₯ 2 = 10 i /10 = β i .
β Close, butβ¦ reading off the coefficients of
Ο \varphi Ο forgets the conjugates: on
C 2 \mathbf{C}^2 C 2 ,
β¨ z , ( a , b ) β© = z 1 a βΎ + z 2 b βΎ \langle z, (a, b) \rangle = z_1\overline{a} + z_2\overline{b} β¨ z , ( a , b )β© = z 1 β a + z 2 β b , so the second entry must be
β i βΎ = i \overline{-i} = i β i β = i .
β Not quite. That is
w w w , unscaled. Even though
β£ Ο ( w ) β£ = 10 = β₯ w β₯ 2 |\varphi(w)| = 10 = \|w\|^2 β£ Ο ( w ) β£ = 10 = β₯ w β₯ 2 ,
Ο ( w ) = 10 i β 10 \varphi(w) = 10i \ne 10 Ο ( w ) = 10 i ξ = 10 , so
Ο ( w ) β β₯ w β₯ 2 \varphi(w) \ne \|w\|^2 Ο ( w ) ξ = β₯ w β₯ 2 ; the phase still has to be corrected by the scalar
β i -i β i .
Show solution
First confirm w β ( null β‘ Ο ) β₯ w \in (\operatorname{null}\varphi)^\perp w β ( null Ο ) β₯ : β¨ ( i , 3 ) , ( 3 i , β 1 ) β© = i β
3 i βΎ + 3 β
β 1 βΎ = i ( β 3 i ) β 3 = 3 β 3 = 0 \langle (i, 3), (3i, -1) \rangle = i\cdot\overline{3i} + 3\cdot\overline{-1} = i(-3i) - 3 = 3 - 3 = 0 β¨( i , 3 ) , ( 3 i , β 1 )β© = i β
3 i + 3 β
β 1 β = i ( β 3 i ) β 3 = 3 β 3 = 0 .
Ο ( w ) = 3 ( 3 i ) β i ( β 1 ) = 9 i + i = 10 i , β₯ w β₯ 2 = β£ 3 i β£ 2 + β£ β 1 β£ 2 = 10. \varphi(w) = 3(3i) - i(-1) = 9i + i = 10i, \qquad \|w\|^2 = |3i|^2 + |-1|^2 = 10. Ο ( w ) = 3 ( 3 i ) β i ( β 1 ) = 9 i + i = 10 i , β₯ w β₯ 2 = β£3 i β£ 2 + β£ β 1 β£ 2 = 10.
v = 10 i βΎ 10 β ( 3 i , β 1 ) = β i β ( 3 i , β 1 ) = ( β 3 i 2 , i ) = ( 3 , i ) . v = \frac{\overline{10i}}{10}\,(3i, -1) = -i\,(3i, -1) = (-3i^2, i) = (3, i). v = 10 10 i β ( 3 i , β 1 ) = β i ( 3 i , β 1 ) = ( β 3 i 2 , i ) = ( 3 , i ) .
Check: β¨ ( z 1 , z 2 ) , ( 3 , i ) β© = 3 z 1 + z 2 β i βΎ = 3 z 1 β i z 2 = Ο ( z 1 , z 2 ) \langle (z_1, z_2), (3, i) \rangle = 3z_1 + z_2\,\overline{i} = 3z_1 - i z_2 = \varphi(z_1, z_2) β¨( z 1 β , z 2 β ) , ( 3 , i )β© = 3 z 1 β + z 2 β i = 3 z 1 β β i z 2 β = Ο ( z 1 β , z 2 β ) .
Problem 3 Β· Splitting u in the Video's Example
Given: Ο ( x , y , z ) = 2 x β 5 y + z \varphi(x, y, z) = 2x - 5y + z Ο ( x , y , z ) = 2 x β 5 y + z on R 3 \mathbf{R}^3 R 3 , its representing vector v = ( 2 , β 5 , 1 ) v = (2, -5, 1) v = ( 2 , β 5 , 1 ) , and u = ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) u = (1, 1, 1) u = ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) . Write u = ( u β Ο ( u ) Ο ( v ) β v ) + Ο ( u ) β₯ v β₯ 2 β v u = \left(u - \dfrac{\varphi(u)}{\varphi(v)}\, v\right) + \dfrac{\varphi(u)}{\|v\|^2}\, v u = ( u β Ο ( v ) Ο ( u ) β v ) + β₯ v β₯ 2 Ο ( u ) β v .
What is the coefficient Ο ( u ) / β₯ v β₯ 2 \varphi(u)/\|v\|^2 Ο ( u ) /β₯ v β₯ 2 of v v v in the second piece?
a β 2 -2 β 2
b β 1 15 -\tfrac{1}{15} β 15 1 β
c 1 15 \tfrac{1}{15} 15 1 β
d β 2 30 -\tfrac{2}{\sqrt{30}} β 30 β 2 β
What is the first piece?
a ( 17 15 , 2 3 , 16 15 ) \left(\tfrac{17}{15}, \tfrac{2}{3}, \tfrac{16}{15}\right) ( 15 17 β , 3 2 β , 15 16 β )
b ( 13 15 , 4 3 , 14 15 ) \left(\tfrac{13}{15}, \tfrac{4}{3}, \tfrac{14}{15}\right) ( 15 13 β , 3 4 β , 15 14 β )
c ( 5 , β 9 , 3 ) (5, -9, 3) ( 5 , β 9 , 3 )
β
Correct! Ο \varphi Ο of the first piece is
34 15 β 50 15 + 16 15 = 0 \tfrac{34}{15} - \tfrac{50}{15} + \tfrac{16}{15} = 0 15 34 β β 15 50 β + 15 16 β = 0 , so it lies in
null β‘ Ο \operatorname{null}\varphi null Ο and is orthogonal to
v v v .
β Not quite. β 2 -2 β 2 is
Ο ( u ) \varphi(u) Ο ( u ) itself; the coefficient divides it by
β₯ v β₯ 2 = 4 + 25 + 1 = 30 \|v\|^2 = 4 + 25 + 1 = 30 β₯ v β₯ 2 = 4 + 25 + 1 = 30 .
β Check the sign. Ο ( u ) = 2 β 5 + 1 = β 2 \varphi(u) = 2 - 5 + 1 = -2 Ο ( u ) = 2 β 5 + 1 = β 2 is negative, so the coefficient is
β 2 / 30 -2/30 β 2/30 .
β Close, butβ¦ that divides by
β₯ v β₯ = 30 \|v\| = \sqrt{30} β₯ v β₯ = 30 β . The second piece divides by
β₯ v β₯ 2 = 30 \|v\|^2 = 30 β₯ v β₯ 2 = 30 , the same number as
Ο ( v ) \varphi(v) Ο ( v ) .
β Check the sign. That is
u + β 2 30 β v u + \tfrac{-2}{30}\,v u + 30 β 2 β v ; the first piece subtracts
Ο ( u ) Ο ( v ) β v = β 1 15 v \tfrac{\varphi(u)}{\varphi(v)}\,v = -\tfrac{1}{15}v Ο ( v ) Ο ( u ) β v = β 15 1 β v , which adds
1 15 ( 2 , β 5 , 1 ) \tfrac{1}{15}(2, -5, 1) 15 1 β ( 2 , β 5 , 1 ) to
u u u .
β Not quite. That is
u β Ο ( u ) β v u - \varphi(u)\,v u β Ο ( u ) v ; the coefficient must be divided by
Ο ( v ) = 30 \varphi(v) = 30 Ο ( v ) = 30 . Test it:
Ο ( 5 , β 9 , 3 ) = 58 β 0 \varphi(5, -9, 3) = 58 \ne 0 Ο ( 5 , β 9 , 3 ) = 58 ξ = 0 , so it is not in
null β‘ Ο \operatorname{null}\varphi null Ο .
Show solution
Ο ( u ) = 2 β 5 + 1 = β 2 , Ο ( v ) = β₯ v β₯ 2 = 4 + 25 + 1 = 30. \varphi(u) = 2 - 5 + 1 = -2, \qquad \varphi(v) = \|v\|^2 = 4 + 25 + 1 = 30. Ο ( u ) = 2 β 5 + 1 = β 2 , Ο ( v ) = β₯ v β₯ 2 = 4 + 25 + 1 = 30.
The coefficient of v v v in the second piece is Ο ( u ) / β₯ v β₯ 2 = β 2 / 30 = β 1 15 \varphi(u)/\|v\|^2 = -2/30 = -\tfrac{1}{15} Ο ( u ) /β₯ v β₯ 2 = β 2/30 = β 15 1 β , and the first piece is
u β Ο ( u ) Ο ( v ) β v = ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) + 1 15 ( 2 , β 5 , 1 ) = ( 17 15 , 10 15 , 16 15 ) = ( 17 15 , 2 3 , 16 15 ) . u - \frac{\varphi(u)}{\varphi(v)}\, v = (1, 1, 1) + \tfrac{1}{15}(2, -5, 1) = \left(\tfrac{17}{15}, \tfrac{10}{15}, \tfrac{16}{15}\right) = \left(\tfrac{17}{15}, \tfrac{2}{3}, \tfrac{16}{15}\right). u β Ο ( v ) Ο ( u ) β v = ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) + 15 1 β ( 2 , β 5 , 1 ) = ( 15 17 β , 15 10 β , 15 16 β ) = ( 15 17 β , 3 2 β , 15 16 β ) .
Check: Ο \varphi Ο of the first piece is 34 15 β 50 15 + 16 15 = 0 \tfrac{34}{15} - \tfrac{50}{15} + \tfrac{16}{15} = 0 15 34 β β 15 50 β + 15 16 β = 0 . Taking the inner product of the splitting with v v v : β¨ u , v β© = 0 + ( β 1 15 ) β
30 = β 2 = Ο ( u ) \langle u, v \rangle = 0 + \left(-\tfrac{1}{15}\right)\cdot 30 = -2 = \varphi(u) β¨ u , v β© = 0 + ( β 15 1 β ) β
30 = β 2 = Ο ( u ) , matching β¨ ( 1 , 1 , 1 ) , ( 2 , β 5 , 1 ) β© = 2 β 5 + 1 \langle (1, 1, 1), (2, -5, 1) \rangle = 2 - 5 + 1 β¨( 1 , 1 , 1 ) , ( 2 , β 5 , 1 )β© = 2 β 5 + 1 .
Problem 4 Β· Evaluation at 0 on Pβ(R)
Given: P 1 ( R ) \mathcal{P}_1(\mathbf{R}) P 1 β ( R ) with β¨ p , q β© = β« 0 1 p ( x ) β q ( x ) β d x \langle p, q \rangle = \int_0^1 p(x)\,q(x)\,dx β¨ p , q β© = β« 0 1 β p ( x ) q ( x ) d x and Ο ( p ) = p ( 0 ) \varphi(p) = p(0) Ο ( p ) = p ( 0 ) . Find the v v v with Ο ( p ) = β¨ p , v β© \varphi(p) = \langle p, v \rangle Ο ( p ) = β¨ p , v β© for every p p p , without an orthonormal basis.
a v = 4 β 6 x v = 4 - 6x v = 4 β 6 x
b v = 1 v = 1 v = 1
c v = 2 β 3 x v = 2 - 3x v = 2 β 3 x
d v = 1 β 3 2 x v = 1 - \tfrac{3}{2}x v = 1 β 2 3 β x
β
Correct! β¨ 1 , 4 β 6 x β© = 4 β 3 = 1 \langle 1, 4 - 6x \rangle = 4 - 3 = 1 β¨ 1 , 4 β 6 x β© = 4 β 3 = 1 and
β¨ x , 4 β 6 x β© = 2 β 2 = 0 \langle x, 4 - 6x \rangle = 2 - 2 = 0 β¨ x , 4 β 6 x β© = 2 β 2 = 0 , matching
Ο ( 1 ) = 1 \varphi(1) = 1 Ο ( 1 ) = 1 and
Ο ( x ) = 0 \varphi(x) = 0 Ο ( x ) = 0 .
β Not quite. The constant
1 1 1 is not orthogonal to
null β‘ Ο = span β‘ ( x ) \operatorname{null}\varphi = \operatorname{span}(x) null Ο = span ( x ) :
β¨ x , 1 β© = 1 2 β 0 = Ο ( x ) \langle x, 1 \rangle = \tfrac12 \ne 0 = \varphi(x) β¨ x , 1 β© = 2 1 β ξ = 0 = Ο ( x ) .
β Close, butβ¦ 2 β 3 x 2 - 3x 2 β 3 x spans
( null β‘ Ο ) β₯ (\operatorname{null}\varphi)^\perp ( null Ο ) β₯ , but it still needs scaling:
Ο ( 2 β 3 x ) = 2 \varphi(2 - 3x) = 2 Ο ( 2 β 3 x ) = 2 while
β₯ 2 β 3 x β₯ 2 = 1 \|2 - 3x\|^2 = 1 β₯2 β 3 x β₯ 2 = 1 , so the scalar is
2 2 2 .
β Close, butβ¦ the scalar is
Ο ( w ) βΎ / β₯ w β₯ 2 = 2 / 1 \overline{\varphi(w)}/\|w\|^2 = 2/1 Ο ( w ) β /β₯ w β₯ 2 = 2/1 , not
β₯ w β₯ 2 / Ο ( w ) = 1 2 \|w\|^2/\varphi(w) = \tfrac12 β₯ w β₯ 2 / Ο ( w ) = 2 1 β . Check:
β¨ 1 , 1 β 3 2 x β© = 1 4 β 1 \langle 1, 1 - \tfrac32 x \rangle = \tfrac14 \ne 1 β¨ 1 , 1 β 2 3 β x β© = 4 1 β ξ = 1 .
Show solution
Null space. Ο ( a + b x ) = a \varphi(a + bx) = a Ο ( a + b x ) = a , so null β‘ Ο = span β‘ ( x ) \operatorname{null}\varphi = \operatorname{span}(x) null Ο = span ( x ) , of dimension dim β‘ P 1 ( R ) β 1 = 1 \dim \mathcal{P}_1(\mathbf{R}) - 1 = 1 dim P 1 β ( R ) β 1 = 1 .
Orthogonal complement. q = a + b x q = a + bx q = a + b x is orthogonal to x x x when β« 0 1 x ( a + b x ) β d x = a 2 + b 3 = 0 \int_0^1 x(a + bx)\,dx = \tfrac{a}{2} + \tfrac{b}{3} = 0 β« 0 1 β x ( a + b x ) d x = 2 a β + 3 b β = 0 ; take w = 2 β 3 x w = 2 - 3x w = 2 β 3 x .
Ο ( w ) = 2 , β₯ w β₯ 2 = β« 0 1 ( 2 β 3 x ) 2 β d x = 4 β 6 + 3 = 1. \varphi(w) = 2, \qquad \|w\|^2 = \int_0^1 (2 - 3x)^2\,dx = 4 - 6 + 3 = 1. Ο ( w ) = 2 , β₯ w β₯ 2 = β« 0 1 β ( 2 β 3 x ) 2 d x = 4 β 6 + 3 = 1.
v = Ο ( w ) βΎ β₯ w β₯ 2 β w = 2 ( 2 β 3 x ) = 4 β 6 x . v = \frac{\overline{\varphi(w)}}{\|w\|^2}\, w = 2(2 - 3x) = 4 - 6x. v = β₯ w β₯ 2 Ο ( w ) β β w = 2 ( 2 β 3 x ) = 4 β 6 x .
Check: for p = a + b x p = a + bx p = a + b x , β¨ p , v β© = a β¨ 1 , v β© + b β¨ x , v β© = a β
1 + b β
0 = p ( 0 ) \langle p, v \rangle = a\langle 1, v \rangle + b\langle x, v \rangle = a \cdot 1 + b \cdot 0 = p(0) β¨ p , v β© = a β¨ 1 , v β© + b β¨ x , v β© = a β
1 + b β
0 = p ( 0 ) .
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